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Quebec Government Announces Plans to Require Website Blocking of Gambling Sites

CoinGuyCoinGuy Administrator
edited March 2017 in The Off-Topic Cafe
I am not sure if this will impact Bitcoin gaming site, but it makes me shudder as someone who lives in this province, that websites I wish to visit may be blocked.
The government says it will be introducing a new law requiring ISPs to block access to online gambling sites. The list of blocked sites will be developed by Loto-Quebec, a government agency. The budget states:

A legislative amendment will be proposed to introduce an illegal website filtering measure. In accordance with this measure, Internet service providers will not be allowed to provide access to an online gaming and gambling website whose name is on a list of websites that are to be blocked, drawn up by Loto-Québec. This measure will be applied by the Régie des alcools, des courses et des jeux, which should have the necessary resources to fulfil its new responsibilities.

The government views this as a revenue enhancing measure because it wants to channel gamblers to its own Espacejeux, the Loto-Quebec run online gaming site.
Read more:
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/03/quebec-takes-on-the-internet-government-announces-plans-to-require-website-blocking-studies-new-internet-access-tax/

I know their is Tor, but I think it may be time to leave this province. My other concern is this: what could become blocked next?

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  • You can always leave the province via a VPN. But this is indeed a precedent that brings the question "what's next?" :-/
  • CoinGuyCoinGuy Administrator
    Yes, VPN works, but I should not have to. And really, it's the whats next that worries me. Could they decide to block Bitcoin sites? News sites?
  • they will be using the student protests to hide the theft of our rights, and we'll let it happen. if the cry-baby protesters want to change something for the better, they should focus on this, not trying to get even more for doing nothing.
  • CoinGuyCoinGuy Administrator
    @whateveryousayman I can't disagree, but we both know they won't mobilize on this.
  • CPLCPL Member Plus
    edited March 2015
    CoinGuy said:

    I am not sure if this will impact Bitcoin gaming site, but it makes me shudder as someone who lives in this province, that websites I wish to visit may be blocked.

    The government says it will be introducing a new law requiring ISPs to block access to online gambling sites. The list of blocked sites will be developed by Loto-Quebec, a government agency. The budget states:

    A legislative amendment will be proposed to introduce an illegal website filtering measure. In accordance with this measure, Internet service providers will not be allowed to provide access to an online gaming and gambling website whose name is on a list of websites that are to be blocked, drawn up by Loto-Québec. This measure will be applied by the Régie des alcools, des courses et des jeux, which should have the necessary resources to fulfil its new responsibilities.

    The government views this as a revenue enhancing measure because it wants to channel gamblers to its own Espacejeux, the Loto-Quebec run online gaming site.
    Read more:
    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/03/quebec-takes-on-the-internet-government-announces-plans-to-require-website-blocking-studies-new-internet-access-tax/

    I know their is Tor, but I think it may be time to leave this province. My other concern is this: what could become blocked next?

    How that effects Bitcoin? Most governments don't even acknowledge it or understand what it is or what it's capable of outside of central banking/fiat. Nor do they particularly seem that interested, which is great for everyone else not involved in the central banking/government regimes over the long term.

    For stopping internet gambling. They've tried this so often in so many ways that it's futile. Like attempting to stop the ebb and flow of the tide by building sandcastles, the time and effort extended into building complexity out of sand is quickly undone with a change in the direction of the tides. The fact people gamble in Quebec has more to do with social conditioning. In Quebec there's a gambling outlet in nearly every depanneur in the major metro's across the province, in much the same way there's liquor and gun stores on every corner in the US. They made the demand and service, now they are chagrined at leaky revenue boat they've made along with the social issues developed from it.

    Right now however the Quebec government pays a slight bit of lipservice to the issue with public service ads and education, but it can hardly argue from any moral position since it's the one providing the service to create the demand in order to obtain funds. The government literally made it's own problem with gambling, it created the demand by giving the licenses, building the casinos and spending the money on marketing (hope sells)

    Real question is how are they going to fund combating internet gambling? Probably with more gambling. The idea of fighting fire with fire doesn't work. Then again, could be a smoke screen that points to other revenue gaps in their tax collection efforts. After all the only time someone complains is when there's a shortfall.
  • CoinGuyCoinGuy Administrator
    @CPL, in Quebec, on Bitcoin, the government is already involved in legislation. They require a special license for all businesses in Quebec (https://coinforum.ca/discussion/2430/quebec-financial-regulator-amf-bitcoin-atms-need-license). I only pointed this story out, as it's a scary step. They are not trying to stop gambling, they want to force users to their state run Loto Quebec. I merely mentioned this, as a precedent towards something that could get ugly. Right now it does not impact Bitcoin directly, but I think it's important to be aware before it does.
  • CoinGuyCoinGuy Administrator
    edited March 2015
    @cpl, I have moved to off-topic to make it clearer it does not impact Bitcoin currently.
  • CPLCPL Member Plus
    edited March 2015
    CoinGuy said:

    @CPL, in Quebec, on Bitcoin, the government is already involved in legislation. They require a special license for all businesses in Quebec (https://coinforum.ca/discussion/2430/quebec-financial-regulator-amf-bitcoin-atms-need-license). I only pointed this story out, as it's a scary step. They are not trying to stop gambling, they want to force users to their state run Loto Quebec. I merely mentioned this, as a precedent towards something that could get ugly. Right now it does not impact Bitcoin directly, but I think it's important to be aware before it does.

    I'm still completely at a loss to figure out how they would actually manage and regulate bitcoin. Other than political lipservice and pouting because the world of technology is changing their game (nor can they stop it now). The funniest point of their position is hoping on the best intentions of their population whom they tax through the nose. Point being they are bluffing and bad at it after watching them perform the same tactics they've done with other things they can't get their way on.

    They neither have the technology, processes, people nor the will to hold it. The fact is Quebec in order to regulate bitcoin will have to dump fiat and switch over completely. Every one of their systems is based on SAP/Peoplesoft which is going to drag them to the bottom like a boat anchor. It's the achilles heel of all governments that hang their automated services on. Took decades to build these systems and it will take nothing to remove them with a currency valuation or technology change.

    BTC is literally built to collapse fiat regimes because the decimal point goes the other direction. Can you imagine attempting to collect interest on a reverse value on either private, personal or government loans? LOL...gambling won't be their only issue. The funny thing is once they simply acknowledge BTC as a currency and start to attempt to do anything with it, that's exactly the moment they've lost the game. The meme sticks like gum to their shoe. I mean right now they've got one of two options right now. All governments, not just the Government of Quebec.

    1) They inflate everything to the moon and hope a percentage on the gross keeps in step with the inflation while destroying the value of practically everything they've built over 140 years while choking their own populations to death with price increases. Eventually something messes up and it all crashes in a heap.

    2) They drop whatever they are doing, clear the books and start over while the optics are still nominally good losing only fractions of what they would have lost to begin with then figure out where to clean up. While using BTC as the receipt, because that's all 'money' really is. It's just a receipt of transaction that two parties can agree something happened in terms of goods/services being transacted with an option for third party analysis. Versus passing the value of debt that will never be paid in the fiat paradigm, because that's what a dollar/euro/ruble/yuan/etc is. Fiat is an IOU that will never be repaid based on the value of other fiat IOU's that will also never be repaid.

    The entire system as built and adopted is engineered top down to collapse by the math alone. Now here's the weird thing. The first option is all they know, the second one is work they are unable and willing to do because of the obvious stubborn nature of holding power.

    Remember, these are not smart people, just thugs riding around in a system someone else built. They are part of the herd of pigs that put the world into the shape it is today after the political process of Quebec turned into one of inheritance. They are neither benevolent or trustworthy, their own historical actions and management of their province underlines how crooked things are while they are panicking over something they are unwilling to use. Much to the detriment of those that live in Quebec and trust any of them as leadership.

    The fact is while the government of Quebec believes it can maintain the status quo, it will be unable to until it dumps all fiat. They are betamax technology in a cloud based VOD universe, along with the rest of them. Doesn't make me optimistic about any of the governments in operation currently and while the technology economic adoption has been organic. Individuals make the conscious decision to move themselves away from the old, if people get caught with their pants down because technology changes? Not much to do about them.
  • CoinGuy said:

    I am not sure if this will impact Bitcoin gaming site, but it makes me shudder as someone who lives in this province, that websites I wish to visit may be blocked.

    The government says it will be introducing a new law requiring ISPs to block access to online gambling sites. The list of blocked sites will be developed by Loto-Quebec, a government agency. The budget states:

    A legislative amendment will be proposed to introduce an illegal website filtering measure. In accordance with this measure, Internet service providers will not be allowed to provide access to an online gaming and gambling website whose name is on a list of websites that are to be blocked, drawn up by Loto-Québec. This measure will be applied by the Régie des alcools, des courses et des jeux, which should have the necessary resources to fulfil its new responsibilities.

    The government views this as a revenue enhancing measure because it wants to channel gamblers to its own Espacejeux, the Loto-Quebec run online gaming site.
    Read more:
    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/03/quebec-takes-on-the-internet-government-announces-plans-to-require-website-blocking-studies-new-internet-access-tax/

    I know their is Tor, but I think it may be time to leave this province. My other concern is this: what could become blocked next?

    I think this is a very good idea it can stop all the scammers plus you can save people losing whatever they have at once
  • MikeXBTMikeXBT Member Plus


    I think this is a very good idea it can stop all the scammers plus you can save people losing whatever they have at once

    Is this a joke?
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